Je repasse l’information d’un Chapitre de construction amateur (EAA266) et M. Frank Hoffman de l'OACI. Les sujets du sondage sont sur l’intégration des « Drones », Transpondeur et ADS-B. Le tous es pour servirent à ce que les propriétaires d’aéronefs ne seront pas soumit à l'installalation un dispositif « ADS-B ». Ce sondage est compilé anonymement.
« Folks,
EAA 266 Technical Advisor Frank Hofmann has several meetings coming up with ICAO, where it would be helpful to have some data concerning equipage – mandatory ADS-B and Transponder. The COPA and IAOPA stance has long been that if Drones are to be added to the airspace traditionally used by GA that the drones have to integrate – meaning they have to fit into the existing mix of traffic by having the ability to detect and avoid other air traffic. The existing fleet should not be forced to spend money on technology to continue to operate safely in an environment to which drones will be added. This information is being gathered anonymously.
IF YOU ARE AN AIRCRAFT OWNER/OPERATOR:
“…
Could you please email the completed survey to Frank Hofmann at "fhofmann@sympatico.ca" with the following details:
1. The date of manufacture of your aircraft.
2. The Make and Model of the aircraft.
3. Where is the aircraft based?
4. Does their aircraft have electric power?
5. Is it Transponder equipped?
6. Is the Transponder in working order?
7. Was the Transponder re-calibrated within the last 2 years?
8. Was the altimeter checked within the last 2 years (against a standard as in a shop)?
9. Is the aircraft ADS-B equipped?
10. Do you plan to equip with ADS-B by 2020?
This information will be very useful to help explain why general aviation should not have to spend several thousand dollars just to accommodate drones.
Best regards,
Frank Hofmann
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Merci en son nom,
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Bonjours à tous,
Voici les résultats du sondage de M. Frank Hofmann de l'OACI. Malheureusement les résultats on été publier en anglais. Je m’en excuse auprès de ceux qui ne peuvent pas lire l’anglais.
Les sujets du sondage étaient sur l’intégration des « Drones », Transpondeur et ADS-B. Le tous es pour servirent à ce que les propriétaires d’aéronefs ne seront pas soumit à l'installation un dispositif « ADS-B ».
Merci à ceux qui ont participé.
« Montreal Area GA Fleet Equipage Survey 2015
As technology advances the assumption is that everyone will keep pace with these advances by updating equipment. In that process some realities may be being overlooked by those looking to planning and regulating for airspace usage. One of the assertions made in the aviation community is that equipping everyone – manned and unmanned aircraft - with Transponders or ADS-B will make flying manned aircraft less risky, and that the cost of doing so will be acceptable. Since it appears that many in government and industry have misconceptions about the nature of the GA fleet an attempt was made to gather some data to help those involved to make data driven and evidence-based decisions. A survey of the GA aircraft fleet and its Transponder installations was carried out in November 2015 of aircraft based on airports in the Montreal area. The responses included data for aircraft based at Cedars, St.-Lazare, Lancaster, Ile Perrot, Hawkesbury East and environs, Bromont, Trudeau and Mascouche. The respondents were contacted by the Presidents of various GA owner/pilot groups in the Montreal area. Survey participants owned aircraft built as early as 1946 and as late as 2015. The fleet surveyed includes Type Certificated aircraft, Owner Maintenance, Homebuilts, Ultra Light and Advanced Ultralight aircraft.
The results were as follows:
• 95 owners responded.
• The average age of aircraft surveyed was 41 years (1974.5 year of manufacture). North American Aircraft production peaked in 1978 at 17000 units.
• The median age of aircraft was 40 years (1975.5 model years). (Half the fleet in this survey was older and half of it was younger.)
• 73 Aircraft in this survey were built prior to 2000. (22 aircraft in the survey were built after 1999.)
• 41 aircraft were not Type Certificated – (Homebuilts, Owner Maintained, Ultralight or Advanced Ultralight) category. – 43%
• 16 aircraft in the fleet of 95 had no electrical system. - 17%
• 47 in the total survey fleet of 95 had a Transponder installed. - 49.5%
• The average age of those Transponder equipped was 40 years (1975)
• 4 transponder equipped aircraft currently not using transponder due to maintenance issue = 8.5% of the aircraft with installed Transponders.
• No aircraft were ADS-B equipped.
• 3 thought they would equip with ADS-B by 2020. - 3% of the fleet may be ADS-B equipped in 2020. • 8 owners might consider installing ADS-B in 2020 = 8.4%.
Among the 22 aircraft built since 2000:
• 18 had an electrical system = 82%; • 18% of these newer aircraft did not have an electrical system. • 9 in that post 1999 fleet which had an electrical system had Transponders = 50%.
• 13 of the 22 in the post 1999 fleet did not have Transponders = 59% of the post 1999 fleet.
• If this fleet is representative, then only 24% of all light GA aircraft in this survey utilize transponders when flying.
Summary
Owners’ responses were accepted as given. No verifications of technical records were made. Even if it was possible to equip the whole fleet with Transponder it would be wrong to assume that all the Transponders are fully functional and are calibrated. If this statistic of the Transponder equipped rate is applicable generally, then the Unmanned Aircraft (UAV or RPA) must have an inherent detect and avoid (DAA) capability to protect the safety of all of the existing airspace users. To introduce new users into the VFR airspace who expects to rely on technology for detect and avoid of manned aircraft would be unconscionable and unacceptable. It does not appear that many owners are accepting eventual equipage with ADS-B so that reliance on that future technology for traffic avoidance is unlikely. From the responses given the possibility exists that by 2020 only 8% of this fleet may be ADS-B equipped. Given the fleet age of 40 years of the fleet surveyed, an estimate is that on average the market value at this time of an airplane is in the order of $30,000 Cdn. Coupled with the fact that the median age of some 17000 Canadian Owners and Pilots Association members is approximately 58 years old, it should be determined if the majority of these owners would likely spend 10-20% of their airplanes’ value at this stage in their lives on updating equipment when they have demonstrated that most of them have operated in and around a traffic area such as Montreal and the Ottawa/St. Lawrence valleys without working Transponders or ADS-B.
Frank Hofmann,
November 8, 2015 »
Merci au nom de M. Frank Hofmann, a tous ceux qui ont participé
Jacques
Voici les résultats du sondage de M. Frank Hofmann de l'OACI. Malheureusement les résultats on été publier en anglais. Je m’en excuse auprès de ceux qui ne peuvent pas lire l’anglais.
Les sujets du sondage étaient sur l’intégration des « Drones », Transpondeur et ADS-B. Le tous es pour servirent à ce que les propriétaires d’aéronefs ne seront pas soumit à l'installation un dispositif « ADS-B ».
Merci à ceux qui ont participé.
« Montreal Area GA Fleet Equipage Survey 2015
As technology advances the assumption is that everyone will keep pace with these advances by updating equipment. In that process some realities may be being overlooked by those looking to planning and regulating for airspace usage. One of the assertions made in the aviation community is that equipping everyone – manned and unmanned aircraft - with Transponders or ADS-B will make flying manned aircraft less risky, and that the cost of doing so will be acceptable. Since it appears that many in government and industry have misconceptions about the nature of the GA fleet an attempt was made to gather some data to help those involved to make data driven and evidence-based decisions. A survey of the GA aircraft fleet and its Transponder installations was carried out in November 2015 of aircraft based on airports in the Montreal area. The responses included data for aircraft based at Cedars, St.-Lazare, Lancaster, Ile Perrot, Hawkesbury East and environs, Bromont, Trudeau and Mascouche. The respondents were contacted by the Presidents of various GA owner/pilot groups in the Montreal area. Survey participants owned aircraft built as early as 1946 and as late as 2015. The fleet surveyed includes Type Certificated aircraft, Owner Maintenance, Homebuilts, Ultra Light and Advanced Ultralight aircraft.
The results were as follows:
• 95 owners responded.
• The average age of aircraft surveyed was 41 years (1974.5 year of manufacture). North American Aircraft production peaked in 1978 at 17000 units.
• The median age of aircraft was 40 years (1975.5 model years). (Half the fleet in this survey was older and half of it was younger.)
• 73 Aircraft in this survey were built prior to 2000. (22 aircraft in the survey were built after 1999.)
• 41 aircraft were not Type Certificated – (Homebuilts, Owner Maintained, Ultralight or Advanced Ultralight) category. – 43%
• 16 aircraft in the fleet of 95 had no electrical system. - 17%
• 47 in the total survey fleet of 95 had a Transponder installed. - 49.5%
• The average age of those Transponder equipped was 40 years (1975)
• 4 transponder equipped aircraft currently not using transponder due to maintenance issue = 8.5% of the aircraft with installed Transponders.
• No aircraft were ADS-B equipped.
• 3 thought they would equip with ADS-B by 2020. - 3% of the fleet may be ADS-B equipped in 2020. • 8 owners might consider installing ADS-B in 2020 = 8.4%.
Among the 22 aircraft built since 2000:
• 18 had an electrical system = 82%; • 18% of these newer aircraft did not have an electrical system. • 9 in that post 1999 fleet which had an electrical system had Transponders = 50%.
• 13 of the 22 in the post 1999 fleet did not have Transponders = 59% of the post 1999 fleet.
• If this fleet is representative, then only 24% of all light GA aircraft in this survey utilize transponders when flying.
Summary
Owners’ responses were accepted as given. No verifications of technical records were made. Even if it was possible to equip the whole fleet with Transponder it would be wrong to assume that all the Transponders are fully functional and are calibrated. If this statistic of the Transponder equipped rate is applicable generally, then the Unmanned Aircraft (UAV or RPA) must have an inherent detect and avoid (DAA) capability to protect the safety of all of the existing airspace users. To introduce new users into the VFR airspace who expects to rely on technology for detect and avoid of manned aircraft would be unconscionable and unacceptable. It does not appear that many owners are accepting eventual equipage with ADS-B so that reliance on that future technology for traffic avoidance is unlikely. From the responses given the possibility exists that by 2020 only 8% of this fleet may be ADS-B equipped. Given the fleet age of 40 years of the fleet surveyed, an estimate is that on average the market value at this time of an airplane is in the order of $30,000 Cdn. Coupled with the fact that the median age of some 17000 Canadian Owners and Pilots Association members is approximately 58 years old, it should be determined if the majority of these owners would likely spend 10-20% of their airplanes’ value at this stage in their lives on updating equipment when they have demonstrated that most of them have operated in and around a traffic area such as Montreal and the Ottawa/St. Lawrence valleys without working Transponders or ADS-B.
Frank Hofmann,
November 8, 2015 »
Merci au nom de M. Frank Hofmann, a tous ceux qui ont participé
Jacques