Pilotes Québec

Le "National Transportation Safety Board" vient d'emettre un avis concernant l'utilisation de Cessna 208 en condition de givrage. Cela pourrait affecter beaucoup d'operateurs et pilotes surtout au Canada. Voici les deux premiers paragraphes. Pour la suite, allez sur le site de NTSB. La recommendation est assez longue.

The National Transportation Safety Board is participating in two foreign investigations (one in Canada and the other in Russia) of recent fatal accidents involving Cessna 208 series airplanes1 in icing conditions. Based on the preliminary findings from these investigations (which include new insight from flight recorder data obtained from one of the accident airplanes) and a previous assessment of Cessna 208 icing incidents and accidents,2 the Safety Board is very concerned about deficiencies in the cold weather operational procedures used by Cessna 208 pilots and the performance of the airplane in icing conditions.3 Investigators with the Interstate Aviation Commission of Russia and the Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) also share these concerns. The Board believes that the urgent recommendations contained in this letter require immediate attention to mitigate the existing risk to the Cessna 208 fleet during the current icing season.

On October 6, 2005, about 0540 central daylight time, a Cessna 208B, Canadian registration C-FEXS, operated by Morning Star Air Express as cargo flight 8060, was destroyed when it impacted the ground about 5 minutes after takeoff from the Winnipeg International Airport (CYWG), Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. The certificated airline transport pilot was killed. Instrument meteorological conditions (IMC) prevailed and an instrument flight rules (IFR) flight plan had been filed for the flight destined for Thunder Bay, Ontario. According to meteorological studies performed by the Safety Board and Environment Canada (the country’s weather authority), meteorological data recorded at the time of the accident are consistent with light to moderate4 icing conditions. The accident is currently under investigation by the TSB, with assistance from the Safety Board.

Pour faire suite au message que je viens de poster, Transport Canada n'a toujours pas emis de recommendation. L'enquete est toujours en cours.

Ah, pauvre 208...

Tout le monde lui tape dessus par les temps qui courent. C'est un avion merveilleux, solide, rapide, etc., mais ce qui fait sa renommée entache aussi son aura. C'est une machine tellement facile à piloter qu'il devient très facile de dépasser les limites de l'avion et les notres sans s'en rendre compte. La turbine donne un faux sentiment de supériorité face aux éléments. Oui, c'est équippé comme un jet, mais non, ce n'est pas un jet avec les ailes chauffantes et tout le bazard.

Un mot sur l'accident de Winnipeg. Cessna avertit bien les pilotes, et le cours chez Flight Safety est très bien fait, sur les dangers de la glace. Par exemple, il est extrêmement important (comprendre que si on fait ça on meurt) de ne jamais oh grand jamais sortir les volets quand il y a de la glace sur l'avion. Pourquoi? Parce que l'extension des volets fera décrocher le stabilisateur et s'en sera fait de nous et du 208. Pourquoi le 208 de Winnipeg allait bien jusqu'en finale ou presque? Et pourquoi a-t-il piqué du nez bêtement?

Pélée Island aussi? Eh ben. Décollage en surcharge + ailes contaminées = espérance de vie très faible. Rien d'autre à dire.

Le problème n'est pas l'avion. Le problème est assis sur le siège de gauche! Je le sais, j'y suis souvent assis...

Désolé pour cette longue tirade, mais je le prend à coeur moi, le 208! :wink:

Ah ouais.

Depuis qu'on est entré dans la grande famille 208, on a reçu au moins 5 mises à jour du POH concernant les opérations lors du givre, et c'est à chaque fois la même chose.

Nous ne sommes pas dupes à CSK3, on ne vole pas quand c'est mauvais à ce point là... Et on sait quoi faire si jamais on se givre comme du monde : on ne sort pas les volets, on laisse l'avion sur le pilote automatique et on ne ralentit pas en bas de 160KIAS avant que les roues ne touchent à la piste!

:roll:

combien ça roule un 208 :!:

martin 8)

Croisière normale 155KIAS.

J'ai l'habitude de rentrer à CSK3 à 65 KIAS ; j'ose même pas imaginer ce que doit être une approche à 160 KIAS !!!!!! Le bout de la piste doit être proche en 'stie !!!

Le truc est de rentré à Dorval à cette vitesse là. :wink:

OlivierC-FWOL wrote: on laisse l'avion sur le pilote automatique et on ne ralentit pas en bas de 160KIAS avant que les roues ne touchent à la piste!

:roll:

Pourtant, les plus récentes recommendations de NTSB sont les suivantes:

1) Recommendation:
The National Transportation Safety Board recommends that the Federal Aviation Administration: Require all operators of Cessna 208 series airplanes to maintain a minimum operating airspeed of 120 knots during flight in icing conditions, even if a descent is required to do so. (Urgent)

2) Recommendation:
The National Transportation Safety Board recommends that the Federal Aviation Administration: Prohibit all operators of Cessna 208 series airplanes from conducting flight into any icing conditions determined to be more than light icing. (Urgent)

3) Recommendation:
The National Transportation Safety Board recommends that the Federal Aviation Administration: Require all operators of Cessna 208 series airplanes to disengage the autopilot and fly the airplane manually when operating in icing conditions. (Urgent)

Pour de plus amples renseignements, voir le site suivant: http://www.ntsb.gov/safetyrecs/private/QueryPage.aspx

Lors qu'on sait qu'on a de la glace, on peut le laisser dessus, surtout si on accélère. Quoique je vais vérifier mes checklists samedi...

Mais bon, c'est une sacré machine, et ils sont fous.

Un autre 208 s'est crashé en C.B. :cry: 4 blessé graves...




Canadian Press
Published: Saturday, January 21, 2006
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PORT ALBERNI, B.C. (CP) - Four people were critcially injured when a single-engine aircraft made an emergency landing in the woods of Vancouver Island on Saturday afternoon.

Seven adults and a baby were on board as the plane went down as it approached the airport at Port Alberni.

Victoria Joint Rescue Co-ordination Centre could not immediately confirm if anyone died in the crash.

"We're still in the process of confirming their status," said spokesman Lt.-Cmdr. Hubert Genest.

The Cessna 208 was en route from Tofino to Vancouver on a commercial flight early Saturday afternoon when the pilot called a mayday and requested a landing in Port Alberni.

But the airport lost contact with the plane when it was about 10 kilometres short of the runway.

The rescue co-ordination centre said a Canadian Forces CC-115 Buffalo was airborne in the vicinity and made radio contact with the plane.

The Buffalo tracked the plane's weak emergency transmitter signal and soon made visual contact.

A search and rescue Cormorant helicopter arrived at the scene by late afternoon. Two rescue crew members parachuted to the crash site while two more were hoisted down from the helicopter.

"We're bringing more resources because the extent of the injuries is quite serious," Genest said.

The Cessna belonged to Vancouver-based Sonicblue Airways, confirmed operations manager Nicholas Chapman.

"There has been an accident," Chapman said. "The (federal Transportation Safety Board) right now is investigating."

According to the company's website, the 600-horsepower plane seats nine and has a cruising speed of 165 knots.

Ah zut!

J'espère que tous les gens ont été sauvé...

:cry:

OlivierC-FWOL wrote:
J'espère que tous les gens ont été sauvé...

:cry:

Sunday, Jan 22, 2006

Three killed in emergency landing on Vancouver Island

PORT ALBERNI, B.C. (CP) - Three people were killed and four others critically injured when a single-engine aircraft made an emergency landing in the woods of Vancouver Island on Saturday afternoon. "At the scene we have three fatalities," said Cpl. Rob Foster of Port Alberni RCMP.

Seven adults and a baby were on the plane when it went down in a mountainous and snowy area on the west coast of Vancouver Island as it approached the airport in Port Alberni.

Foster could not confirm if the child was among the dead. No names are being released until next of kin are notified, he said.

De plus, le Cessna 208 se serait écrasé en région montagneuse et il y avait de la neige au sol selon les premiers secouristes de l'armée canadienne (SAR). Piloter au dessus de l'Ile de Vancouver et toute la Côte Ouest n'est vraiment pas évident à cause des montagnes, le brouillard et la pluie.

La région où l'accident s'est produit à un taux d'humidité relative qui se maintient, en moyenne, entre 90% et 100% pendant l'hiver. À Tofino, par exemple, il peut pleuvoir, sans arrêt, pendant plusieurs semaines. La moyenne des précipitations annuelles est 3295 mm à l'aéroport de Tofino.

L’accident du Cessna 208 aurait été causé par un problème de givrage. Eh bien! Cette rumeur venait des États-Unis et probablement du NTSB. J’ai l’impression qu’aux États-Unis, on saute vite au conclusion. Il aura fallu que le Bureau de la sécurité des transports du Canada (BST) fasse une mise au point.

En effet, le pilote, qui est décédé dans l’écrasement, aurait déclaré un problème de moteur. Lisez la suite.

Monday, Jan 23, 2006
Investigators to focus on engine of plane in B.C. crash that killed three
VANCOUVER (CP) - Transportation Safety Board investigators will focus on the engine of the plane that crashed Saturday on Vancouver Island, killing three people and leaving five others seriously injured.

Board spokesman Bill Yearwood said it does not appear that icing was a factor in the crash near Port Alberni, despite an earlier warning from the U.S. that icing could be a problem for Cessna Caravan aircraft. "We have information that the pilot reported engine power loss," Yearwood said in an interview Monday. "He did not report any icing."

Transport Canada has suspended the operating licence of Richmond-based Sonicblue Airways, which owned the plane.

"The decision to suspend the air operator certificate was based on a review of the company's record and concerns with the company's ability to exercise operational control, including proper record keeping and aircraft maintenance," said Transport Canada spokesman Rod Nelson.

The suspension does not preclude further action against the company, Nelson said. "The company will need to demonstrate that it meets all applicable rules and regulations before its air operator certificate will be reinstated," he said.

He requested a dead-stick landing at Port Alberni. The pilot, 25, radioed requesting permission to make an emergency landing in Port Alberni but he never reached the airport. The plane smashed into a rough, snow-covered clearcut about 10 kilometres away. Yearwood said the pilot managed to glide the plane for 24 kilometres through 6,500 feet of vertical descent.

The single-engine plane was carrying a pilot and seven passengers. Three people - a three-year-old boy, the pilot and an adult male passenger - were killed. A 13-month-old girl, four women and a dog survived.

The plane will be examined in Vancouver with assistance from Cessna, Yearwood said. The plane was being lifted Monday by helicopter out of the remote and mountainous area of Vancouver Island where it crashed. "It will be flown to Port Alberni airport where we'll have it prepared for shipment to Vancouver by truck," said Yearwood.

The plane's engine had been overhauled in Winnipeg in November and had logged less than 200 hours of flying time, he said.

He said board investigators at the site on Saturday reported the smell of fuel, indicating there was plenty of fuel on board to feed the engine.

Rescuers who lowered themselves on the side of the mountain to pluck the five survivors to safety described a gruesome scene of a crumpled plane and dead and injured people.

Rescuers from 19 Wing CFB Comox said the aircraft crash-landed nose-first at a 60-degree angle on a heavily wooded slope about 10 kilometres short of Port Alberni airport.

A Canadian Forces CC-115 Buffalo, which was airborne in the vicinity, tracked the plane's weak emergency transmitter signal and soon made visual contact.

Several rescuers parachuted to the site before a CH149 helicopter helped airlift the injured to area hospitals.

The pilot's mayday call was made at about 2 p.m. on Saturday. The pilot apparently radioed he would try to land on a logging road. The Cessna had crashed in a clearcut area at an elevation of about 610 metres.

Those involved in the rescue described it as one of the most difficult operations of their careers. Master Warrant Officer Andy Morris of 422 Squadron in Comox said the rescue mission took about five hours in steep, rugged terrain. "It was extremely difficult getting them out of the aircraft because it was nose-down on a hillside at about a 50 or 60-degree angle," Morris said.

"The survivors were pretty much piled on top of each other." Unharmed in the crash was a small terrier, owned by one of the passengers.

Lisez la suite. Pas mal intéressant. En passant, je n'arrive à trouver les traductions et les revues de presse en français concernant cet accident.

Pilot who was killed had safety concerns, father says

(CBC) - The father of the pilot who was killed in a plane crash on Vancouver Island on Saturday says his son was seriously concerned about the safety record of the aircraft.

Jonathan Huggett said his 25-year-old son Edward flew for Sonicblue for three years, but wanted to leave the airline over safety concerns.

Huggett said his son told him the Cessna 208 had major icing problems flying over the coast mountains.

Last week, the U.S. Transportation Safety Board issued an urgent advisory prohibiting Cessna 208s from flying in icing conditions. No such restriction is in place in Canada.

Thirty-three people have died in Cessna 208 crashes over the last 15 years as result of ice build-up.

In the past week, officials from the U.S. Transportation Safety Board have issued several urgent safety recommendations warning of problems while flying the Cessna Caravan 208s in icy conditions.

Canadian officials have not issued a similar warning. No link has been made between icing conditions and the crash on the weekend.

But officials from the Canadian Transportation Safety Board said the agency was looking into two other crashes involving Cessna Caravan 208s.

"All I can tell you is that we are going to look at ... what is known about the Cessna 208, and that everything that we know and everything that we discover through our investigations will figure into our final report."

- Airline suffered earlier tragedies -

Officials also said they plan to closely examine the safety record of Sonicblue Airways, the Vancouver-based company that owns the plane.

The company grounded all flights after the crash. It wasn't the first tragedy for Sonicblue, which used to be called Regency Express.

In 2002, three people were killed on one of their planes as it tried to take off.

In 1998, two of its pilots died in a Cessna Caravan 208 on Salt Spring Island.

In 2005, the company was fined for failing to properly maintain their aircraft and for letting students pilot commercial flights.

"I have to be careful what I say to you," Jonathan Huggett said. "I will only say to you what I know to be fact. My son reported to me that he was frightened by flying in the last few months, that there were a number of safety issues he reported to me and we urged him to in fact leave the airline."

J'ai hâte de voir ce qu'ils vont trouver sur le moteur, parce qu'un PT-6A c'est pas facile à faire taire. Je me doute où ça peut briser, mais on va laisser le BST faire son boulot!

Mes sympathies aux familles...

Luscombe wrote:Un autre 208 s'est crashé en C.B. :cry: 4 blessé graves...




Canadian Press
Published: Saturday, January 21, 2006
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PORT ALBERNI, B.C. (CP) - Four people were critcially injured when a single-engine aircraft made an emergency landing in the woods of Vancouver Island on Saturday afternoon.

Seven adults and a baby were on board as the plane went down as it approached the airport at Port Alberni.

Victoria Joint Rescue Co-ordination Centre could not immediately confirm if anyone died in the crash.

"We're still in the process of confirming their status," said spokesman Lt.-Cmdr. Hubert Genest.

The Cessna 208 was en route from Tofino to Vancouver on a commercial flight early Saturday afternoon when the pilot called a mayday and requested a landing in Port Alberni.

But the airport lost contact with the plane when it was about 10 kilometres short of the runway.

The rescue co-ordination centre said a Canadian Forces CC-115 Buffalo was airborne in the vicinity and made radio contact with the plane.

The Buffalo tracked the plane's weak emergency transmitter signal and soon made visual contact.

A search and rescue Cormorant helicopter arrived at the scene by late afternoon. Two rescue crew members parachuted to the crash site while two more were hoisted down from the helicopter.

"We're bringing more resources because the extent of the injuries is quite serious," Genest said.

The Cessna belonged to Vancouver-based Sonicblue Airways, confirmed operations manager Nicholas Chapman.

"There has been an accident," Chapman said. "The (federal Transportation Safety Board) right now is investigating."

According to the company's website, the 600-horsepower plane seats nine and has a cruising speed of 165 knots.

En première page des journaux de Vancouver aujourd'hui, le père du bébé décédé dans cet accident poursuit les contrôleurs aériens pour avoir transmis la mauvaise informations au pilote concernant le meilleur endroit pour attérir. Le propriétaire du 208, Cessna, P&W sont également inclus dans la poursuite.

Lawsuit: pilot given wrong information
Father: Victim Braeden Hale's dad suing over alleged misdirections

Keith Fraser
The Province


Tuesday, May 30, 2006



CREDIT: The Province, Handout photo
Edward Huggett, 25, died in a Jan. 21 crash 11 kilometres southwest of Port Alberni airport along with Braeden Hale, 3, and a second passenger, Terry Douglas, of St. Albert, Alta. Five passengers survived.

Air-traffic controllers gave the wrong information to a pilot before he crashed near Port Alberni last January, killing himself and two passengers, says a lawsuit filed in B.C. Supreme Court yesterday.

The pilot changed direction, then changed direction again, all the time losing altitude and speed until he crashed, said lawyer J.J. Camp, representing Jeffrey Hale, whose three-year-old son Braeden Hale was killed and his wife and daughter seriously injured.

"Arguably if [the pilot] had been given the correct vectors and closest airport information he might have been able to make it," said Camp.

Camp said the "core allegation" is that engine failure caused the crash.

But when the Cessna 208 Caravan lost power, controllers told pilot Edward Huggett, 25, that the nearest airport for an emergency landing was Tofino when in fact it was Port Alberni.

Huggett, who had just taken off from Tofino, turned back, resulting in the Sonicblue Airways plane losing critical altitude and speed, said Camp.

Controllers then told the pilot that the nearest airport was Port Alberni and Huggett altered course again and tried to reach Port Alberni.

Once the Caravan descended below 7,000 feet, the pilot lost radio contact with the controllers and crashed into mountainous terrain 11 kilometres southwest of Port Alberni airport.

"We haven't heard the tapes yet but that's what we are advised by sources that allege they know what went on," said Camp.

Huggett died in the Jan. 21 crash 11 km southwest of Port Alberni airport along with Braeden and a second passenger, Terry Douglas of St. Albert, Alta. Five passengers survived.

Nav Canada, which is responsible for air-traffic control out of Vancouver International Airport, said it had not seen the statement of claim.

"If and when we receive it, we'll take it under review," said Nav Canada spokesman Ron Singer.

Camp said the main allegation is that the plane was brought down by the aircraft's compression blade failing, a fault either of engine manufacturer Pratt and Whitney Canada Corp. or engine overhauler Standard Aero Ltd. Neither company could be reached.

The claim also says that Hale's wife, Marnie Helliwell, and his daughter, Mackenzie Hale, suffered serious chemical burns when large quantities of fuel escaped into the cabin.

It alleges the fuel problem was caused when just before the crash the pilot shut off the aircraft's fuel-supply system but on impact the shut valves reopened.

At blame for the fuel problem is Cessna Aircraft Corp., said Camp. He said the problem has come up in previous incidents.

"We think that should have been fixed," he said. "It would have saved these people from the chemical burns they suffered in addition to the other injuries."

Two other passengers, Stacey Curtis and Marissa Richmond of Toronto, also suffered burns and are part of the same lawsuit.

Cessna could not be reached.

Also named as a defendant in the suit is International Express Aircharter Ltd., which does business as Sonicblue Airways, and Transport Canada.

International Express was fined $125,000 in March for failing to maintain its aircraft properly and its air-operator certificate was cancelled. The company could not be reached.

Transport Canada said it had not seen the claim and had no comment.

Jonathan Huggett, the pilot's father, met with his lawyer yesterday and said he is about to file a lawsuit "along much the same lines" as the one just filed by Hale.

The federal Transportation Safety Board, which said in February that the plane's motor displayed rotating damage, is investigating.

- International Express, which does business as Regency Express Flight Operations, is also being sued by pilot Rajbinder Dhiman. He was seriously injured and his three passengers killed when the Cessna 172N he had rented from Regency crashed just after takeoff at Boundary Bay airport on July 1, 2002.

The trial is scheduled for June 26 in B.C. Supreme Court in Vancouver.

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Bonjour ,

Je projette de peut etre aller faire un saut dans votre coins cette été , auriez vous un endroit proche de chez vous pour passer quelque nuit qui soit propre et abordable, et ensuite peut etre j'aurais besoin dMun guide si vous seriez disponible... :wink:


martin :wink: